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Underground Tradecraft: Tactical Applications of the Defensive Sidearm, Part 1.5

August 9, 2013

(In the vein of “rolling with the punches,” or “going with the flow,” I’m going to take a slight tangent off course with this installment of this article series, and cover two or three things that resulted from the apparent widespread interest in the previous installment. –J.M.)

 

The Appendix, Inside-the-Waistband Carry and holster selection

 

As I mentioned in the previous installment, the A-IWB is not new. It’s been around for a really, really long time. In some ways, it is nothing more than a concealed carry version of a psuedo-crossdraw that was popular with old West lawmen. The idea behind the A-IWB carry, to me (I’m not speaking for anybody else that carries this way. This is SOLELY my experience), is three-fold.

 

1) It provides the simplest, most secure concealment for your weapon. In crowds, no one (well, except hot chicks hopefully, or Tinkerbells, not hopefully), are going to “bump” into you with their hands or body where your gun rides, when you carry A-IWB. Additionally, you don’t have to keep reaching back and finger-fucking your weapon, to ensure that it remains concealed by your cover garment. All you need to do is check to make sure your shoe laces are tied. Simply looking down at the ground for a split second, will tell you if your cover garment is hanging naturally, or if it is sticking out somewhere, hung up on the gun.

 

2) It offers absolute, positive physical control of the gun. We’re going to get into this in more depth later, but the reality is, if you need to go to guns, and all you’ve got is your sidearm, concealed, there’s an awfully god-damned good chance that your fight is going to be less about how fast you can draw (not to imply that a fast draw to accurate first shot is unimportant. There’s a reason that I’m excited that I finally got my draw stroke-to-first-shot break down to .75 seconds, by the PACT Timer), and more about how well you can fight the fucker with your unarmed combatives, in order to clear room to go for your gun without getting it taken away and fed to you (for the “I’ve got a gun! I don’t need that unarmed combat bullshit!” crowd of idiots. There’s a reason that my combatives training programs START with creating space to get your gun into action). If the gun is behind your back, or off to your side, you decidedly do NOT have positive control of it. I don’t care if you’ve you’ve got the most technologically advanced, cool-guy quadruple-retention holster that was specifically engineered for JSOC covert operators by NASA engineers. If the gun is on your side, you do NOT have positive control of it. You can only protect the gun with the hand/arm on the same side. With appendix carry, as the Team Sergeant pointed out to me in an email comment on the last installment of this article series, you can physically grab the gun and hold on to it, while beating the living fuck out of the dude with your other body weapons.

 

3) It’s the fastest position available for the draw stroke. There is a reason that so many IPSC and IDPA competitors carry their guns forward of the point of the hip. The gun stays in, and moves through, a very compressed range-of-motion. That’s good, because the shorter the distance it needs to move, the faster it can get to the destination. If you’ve never seriously trained with A-IWB carry, but you’re interested in getting your gun into the fight quickly, you’re in for a very present surprise.

 

That having been said, there are a couple of what are potentially very significant drawbacks to the A-IWB carry.

 

1) The most obvious is the position of the weapon. It’s pointed at your dick! For the love of God, who wants to intentionally point a loaded weapon, in Condition One, at your own dick? For the ladies, it’s still pointed at your femoral artery. Now, I’m not going to engage in the obviously mistaken hubris of the late, great CPT Fairbairn (I say mistaken because it’s been conclusively established that his “Timeline of Death” chart was seriously flawed, from a medical/physiological standpoint. Not to denigrate the man or his legend), and try and tell you how long, to the second, it will take for you to bleed out from a femoral artery penetration. Let’s simply agree, it’s going to be fast, and unpleasant for you.

 

This major drawback is the primary reason that so many people who disparage the A-IWB carry do so. In some ways, I agree with them. If you’re not 110% absolutely, positively, consistently sure of your safe firearms handling habits and skills, do NOT attempt this carry method, because you will shoot yourself in the fucking dick. That will suck for you.

 

The second major drawback of this carry method is that it can be rather uncomfortable, depending on weapon and holster. I’m not sure there’s any way to make a Government Model 1911 or a SIG P226, or any other full-sized service weapon, for that matter, completely comfortable in A-IWB carry. Hell, even my compact G19 isn’t what I would particularly call “comfortable,” as compared to carrying it on my hip or in my Safariland drop-leg rig. I’m sitting in a Denny’s restaurant, at midnight (PCT) right now, waiting for the pre-class link-up in the morning, as I write this. I’ve got a G19 in my VG-2 on, and two spare G17 magazines in Cobra Skins mag pouches on my left side/front, opposite it. It’s not “uncomfortable” (I’ve had it on since I got out of bed at 0600 this morning, after all), but it’s certainly noticeable that it is there. Other holsters I’ve used, from jerry-rigged affairs I cobbled together out of Kydex and/or leather, to Kydex rigs I’ve tried from other makers, are certainly more noticeable.

 

However, as someone once pointed out very adroitly (Did I use that word correctly? I THINK I did...), a concealed carry weapon is not supposed to be comfortable. It’s supposed to be comforting. It is.

 

A-IWB certainly takes some getting used to, both from the safety standpoint, and the comfort standpoint, but it’s well worth the effort expended.

 

As I pointed out in the last article, the current resurgence in popularity of this method of carry, while it is certainly nothing new, does owe a great deal to Craig and Gomez. As some commenters have noted, this was/is a very popular carry method with drug enforcement undercover operatives, for the same reasons I love this method of carry. I’ve known a lot of very experienced, Cold War-era SF guys who loved this method for the same reason.

 

Several commenters also noted other desirable holsters available for this carry method that work really well. I’d LOVE to be able to comment on those, but I’m a poor working slob, and can’t afford half the gear I do own. I would LOVE for gear makers to send me shit to T&E for them, but none have so far (I doubt any will, unless they genuinely have absolute confidence in their product, ’cause I’m not going to win any rapport-building points if a piece of gear sucks).

 

I really like the Dale Fricke holster I have, but I absolutely LOVE my VG-2. If I have a bitch about it (and you know I do), it’s that Raven Concealment hasn’t come out with a weapon-mounted light compatible version of it yet. I really prefer carrying a weapon-mounted light, but I can’t with the Raven (Tom Fineis, are you reading this? PLEASE. Pretty please, with sugar on top? I really want a version that will fit my G19 with a Streamlight TLR-3 mounted on it….). I know at least one company, Armordillo, is making light-mounted A-IWB holsters that are light-specific, but I’m loathe, at this point, to spend a lot on a holster from a company I don’t know, if I don’t have a LOT of feedback on the comfort and security of the rig…..unless the Armordillo guys want to let me T&E one? (Can’t blame a dude for trying, right?)

 

So, on to the next topic….

 

Aimed-Fire versus Point-Shooting

 

There’s really no argument here, among learned shooters. While there are certainly times that preclude visually using your sights (like, shooting from retention at contact distances in a “wrasslin'” match), their can be no legitimate debate that using your sights is better than not. I’ve read a lot of Roger Phillips’s arguments, and at first glance, they make some sense. Unfortunately, in the real world, they fall flat.

 

Lest I offend anyone, I’m going to break this down into the simplest, most easily understood grammar school language I can manage….

 

Whether you are operating in a combat zone, as a uniformed service member, are a cop in a LEO role, or a survivalist in a TEOTWAWKI, who accepts the very real need to maintain good rapport with neighbors and community members….you are, absolutely, 100% accountable for the FINAL destination of every single fucking projectile that exits your muzzle. Period. Full-stop. End-of-story.

 

Those fucking sights, on top of your weapon, were put there for a reason. They are not an after-thought. They are not a conspiracy between gun-designers and clothing companies to rip your shirts and cost you money. The fucking original Colt Paterson revolver; the first functional, commonly available repeating handgun, had sights (however rudimentary they were….and they were pretty fucking primitive), for a reason.

 

Will point-shooting work reasonably well at common hand-gun ranges? Sure. Absolutely. Hell, I’ve made hits on an index card at 30 feet, with my eyes closed, point-shooting. Not with regular consistency though. A trained, practiced shooter, running a modern, semi-automatic pistol, using his sights, can put four rounds per second, or more, into a 3×5 index card at 30 feet, in less than one second; every single time. When a point-shooter can do that, and prove it, I’ll start taking a second look.

 

It’s a given, amongst serious students of pistol-craft, that however tight your shot groups are with your pistol, they’re probably going to widen up considerably when the shit gets real. Mine certainly did. The difference between my index card-sized groups on the training range, and my entire “sniper’s triangle” sized groups in real life and even in Force-on-Force training are significant. If your idea of a “good group” in training is keeping them all in the C-Zone, or even the A-Zone of a silhouette, instead of a small portion of the A-Zone, you’d better accept that a lot of your rounds, real world, are going to completely miss the intended bad guy.

 

There’s a couple of problems with that: first off, the more rounds you miss with, the longer the fight will last. The longer the fight lasts, the more chances there are for the bad guy to get a couple into YOU. That’s bad (although the bad guy would disagree…). Second, every single round that misses the bad guy has to stop somewhere. In a crowded, populated environment (the exact types of places where we CONCEAL our weapons…), there’s a god-damned GOOD chance that those stopping places will be other people, either non-combatants or even dude’s on your own team.

 

There is not a single serious gun-fighting professional organization anywhere, that I’m aware of, that uses point-shooting as a doctrinal method, for good reason. It’s NOT accurate. Anyone that claims otherwise is trying to sell you something. That something is generally brown in color, and smells nasty. I am well aware that Eric Haney, retired from SFOD-D, claims that he used point-shooting while in the Unit. Never having served in that unit, I can’t say, but every instructor I ever had who came from that unit, used aimed fire. There are plenty of veterans of that unit walking around in the training industry for guys to ask…Delta uses aimed fire, and for good reason. It works.

 

This is a very, very, very tired debate, that I can’t believe I’ve even let myself get dragged into, but what the fuck. If you want to point shoot, more power to you. Don’t do it anywhere around my wife and kid though, and do the world a favor, and quit telling people how awesome it is, until you’ve shot a quantifiable course-of-fire, with accuracy and time standards, to PROVE conclusively, that it is superior.

 

I am aware of course, that numerous “studies” have demonstrated the even “highly trained” shooters don’t use their sights in real-world gunfights. All I can say is, I remember always seeing mine, and so does every single other guy I’ve talked to from serious backgrounds who’s used their weapons in real fights.

 

As far as the old West gunslingers…yeah…number one, when you actually start seriously studying the history of those gunfights that did occur, rather than taking the word of “experts” like John Ford and Louis L’Amour, most were not the noble, stand-up in the street, and face the ne’er-do-well like a real man sorts of events. Most were drunken brawls and bar fights at or near contact distance, with little or no concern for non-combatant bystanders in the room.

 

I’m also aware that seriously qualified old-timers like Bill Jordan used a point-shooting variant. Same thing…a shooting at “arrest” distances may very well be pulled off with point-shooting. I’d also point out however, that Mr. Jordan also despised the 1911 and other auto-loading pistols in preference to the revolver for social purposes. How many guys who espouse point shooting are going to give up their modern sidearms too?

 

Guys, just aim your fucking guns. It does NOT take any longer, at the 1-10M distances we’re talking about for tactical applications of the defensive sidearm (seriously, most guys I’ve seen who use “point shooting” actually end up being slower than dedicated craftsmen who use their sights, just getting their first hit on the target, let alone actually putting multiple rounds into a target.

 

Pistol Selection

 

I genuinely don’t give two shits what you run, as long as you run it well, and it runs reliably. Yes, Glocks break. Just like Kalashnikovs, they’re just machines, and machines break. If you think you shoot a SIG or๐Ÿ˜„ or fucking Colt Paterson better, then by all means, carry that. Hell, I know a lot of “cowboy action shooters” who I’d just as soon continued carrying their Ruger Vaqueros over a Glock, because they’re super-fast and accurate with them.

 

The point wasn’t that you need to carry a fucking Glock 19 (although you do….), or even the A-IWB. The point was, if you’ve never had training from a qualified instructor (and only you can decide what that constitutes in your mind), there’s a 99.99% chance that you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re doing. I’d even offer that the fact that so many comments ended up in the pistol selection argument instead of discussing the modern isosceles or punch-out presentation, or anything else of substance in the argument is demonstrative of this. Of course, I’m an asshole like that, too….

 

 

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45 Comments
  1. Reblogged this on Reality Check and commented:
    Underground Tradecraft: Tactical Applications of the Defensive Sidearm, Part 1.5

  2. I was awaiting part II, but this is a bonus!๐Ÿ™‚

  3. Adam permalink

    Check with David at Delarosa tactical. He may be able to make you a A-IWB with light.

  4. Bill Harzia permalink

    I just lucked out, thanks to you. I have a S&W Model 60 .38 Special that I carry in warm weather, because it’s small enough to conceal well (although not the best fighting handgun). I recently bought a different, A-IWB holster for it. although it stays open for easy reholstering, the holster didn’t fit the pistol very well (too big), so it went in the gear box.

    I also have a S&W 4013 that I have usually worn in a hip holster. I’ve never been really satisfied with it, because of the contortions I have to go through to clear the covering garment. And it took a lot of clothing to hide it, so I could really only carry it in cold weather.

    Well, on a hunch I put my S&W 4013 in the new holster just now, and it fits perfectly! It is no more uncomfortable than the Model 60, and now I get four extra rounds and faster reloads. No more “speed strips,” just a magazine change and away I go.

    Thanks for writing this article!

  5. Hillard Foster Jr permalink

    John Mosby, no one who has shot a modern stance much and moved could argue the Weaver stance is better. Ahhh No one with a brain, that is.
    That leaves talking about which pistol is better and which holster is better.
    I think a lot of that is personnel preference. What you are used to and what feels the best will be used the most. It goes back to having the weapon on hand rather than the super match spectacular weapon of your dreams.

    • Gm2011 permalink

      Great article- thanks for penning such well written material, even after long days and late hours

      What is your opinion on carrying a backup gun? Or backup gun vs one spare vs two spare magazines?

      Thanks

  6. Swordsmyth permalink

    With you the pen is as mighty as the sword๐Ÿ™‚ Love your writing style, plain, simple, and to the point.

    Keep em coming!

  7. Yankee Terrier permalink

    Thanks for such a well written article….The G19 is as I see one of the few tools truly suitable for a conealed carry applications you so aptly described in the above, and for extended “duty” carry as in a “full battle rattle” loadout. My beloved G20 I wouldn’t even attempt to conceal in an inside the waistband carry(as Mae West might say “Is that a Russett in your pants or are you glad to see me?”)….Will save the G20 for my bear country house.

  8. The Infamous Oregon Lawhobbit permalink

    Having gone through school and clerking with what was, essentially, an AIWB bellyband, with never a peep heard, I’d agree it’s a great way to carry. The only issue I stumble into now is that after having put on a few pounds most any “frontal” holster (AIWB or cross-draw) ends up with the firearm (which is not a Glock 19๐Ÿ˜‰ ) being pushed out and printing rather obviously.

  9. Point shooting under 5 yards, 7 and more aimed. Inbetween, front sight only. Remember, George Zimmerman did not use his sights.

    • Too doctrinal an answer. I’m as fast, using my sights, at 5 meters as I am point shooting, but more accurate….At 1 meter, I’m still aiming, even though I’m shooting from the retention position. I’m just aiming with my whole body index, rather than the sights. At 3 meters? Sights. But some guys will need to use their sights at 2 meters, and others will feel delusionally comfortable shooting with “point shooting” or a body index, at 30 feet….

  10. marley permalink

    Fricke holsters are top notch and he is a cool guy to work with.

  11. revjen45 permalink

    Gm011 – Why BUG OR Extra mags? Why not AND?

    • Gm2011 permalink

      Revjen45-

      For everyday carry- I either conceal a glock 19 and glock 26, opposite sides IWB, or (currently transitioning to) glock 19 AIWB fricke with a spare mag on left side IWB. I’ve only got about an hour of dry practice drawing from appendix with glock 19 but I’m already liking it and its easier to not have to worry about printing at 4 o’clock position or constantly feeling it up.

      Why not both? Too heavy. I might do appendix and carry a g26 on my left side, but that plus a spare mag would be crowded. I can’t/won’t do pocket carry, ankle carry or other. Gotta be IWB (I live in a southern environment- shorts).

      Backup gun is for malfunctions, arming others as needed, and more options for draw if my other hand is busy. If get into a gunfight that necessitates more than 30 rds I’m probably screwed and should not have been there in the first place without a rifle, and buddies with rifles.

  12. North of the Bakken permalink

    Thank you for the informative article. A good tie-in would be to suggest brands and models of these holsters as these are very rare in my area. Thanks again!

  13. WGS permalink

    I carried A-IWB for a number of years and still do on occasion. The only concern I ever had with it was the difficulty in drawing while seated.

    Any thoughts?

    • I don’t have a problem, even from seated in a car. The only people I’ve ever really noticed with this problem (and I’m not pointing fingers), are guys with a little extra food storage program going on in their belly.

  14. brunop permalink

    I’m no expert like John, but when I train on the square range, point shooting seems best suited to moving and shooting inside of five yards. Starts to break down hard beyond that – even with “experts”.

    Seeing and using sights is superior when you can get them up without getting the gun slapped out of your hand.

  15. spartanmonkey permalink

    With A-IWB, your chances of getting bump-frisked go way down. Anyone who bump-frisks you when your A-IWB deserves a punch in the face at the least.

  16. gunnyginalaska permalink

    Agreed on aimed fire. Also taught my Marines at Parris Island to check their NPA every couple of shots, even in rapid fire. I took an NRA LE class and at 3 yds and under, point shoot to your heart’s content but past that, aimed fire. Great writeup.

  17. DRT 11B permalink

    I’m gonna give some links to some stuff that’s saved my life and freedom in a few of the most dangerous neighborhoods an outsider could tread(don’t ask).

    Glock. I prefer holster belt loops to be offset and not stacked like Fricke does, whether strong side or appendix.

    This TYPE of design for strong side: http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/product_line.html

    A-IWB Holster: http://www.ravenconcealment.com/holsters/appendix-carry-rig-acr/acr-holster

    Mag: http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=135

    Dry practice, pistol / AR: http://nextleveltraining.com/ –site blog has a video of how Joe Teti got his draw stroke down to .70 using this.

    How to operate in non-permissive environments in America: http://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Ex-Cop-Reveals-Arrested/dp/1556526377

    Listen:
    http://www.handgunworld.com/ep-186-low-light-gunfighting-night-fighting/
    http://www.handgunworld.com/ep-150-point-shooting/
    http://www.handgunworld.com/episode-165-point-shooting-part-2/

  18. Attack Company 1/75 permalink

    As always, great articles (1.5 and 1). I was taught pretty much the same as you described in the first article, except for the A-IWB (This is the first time hearing about it. Not a bit surprised, since I’ve been out of the loop for 13 years).

  19. Attack Company 1/75 permalink

    Oh, forgot to ask…

    During my time in the Army, dry firing was encouraged. Is this still the case?

  20. DRT 11B permalink

    Beyond the gear stuff, some things that have served me well on the street, that I got from “Arrest-Proof Yourself” that I perverted to help go undetected carrying a weapon where it’s verbotten: Basically cops are predators that hunt on sight and instinct. So when they pass by you, don’t change what you’re doing. Don’t look around, don’t smooth/adjust your clothes or look to see if your gun’s printing(that’s why I recommended the holsters above), don’t start looking at your cell phone, don’t tie your shoes. You get nervous the sharks will sense it.

    Know where your pistol is and trust it. Be comfortable enough not to adjust it in public EVER. Ever!

    In a dangerous area I’ll put my gun hand in my pocket casually with my thumb snaked up under my t-shirt, touching the but of my pistol. It’s useful to have a flashlight in your other hand at night. But, never useful enough to carry other things in your gun hand. And remember, to a cop it’s going to arouse curiosity. That goes double when the cruiser passes if you drop it in your pocket, then drop your hand to your side while strolling. Cops are curious predators that hunt on sight. Notice I didn’t say enemies – hunters. Don’t give them a reason to make up PC and stop you. There’s more…”you must lose the psychological battle in order to win the war(your freedom)”…useful book.

    You can do this every day, make it difficult for bad guys to get you(I like some of Marc Animal MacYoung’s tips) but the day you have to shoot is going to be a huge shock. But action will ALWAYS be preceded by a gut feeling and probably sensory input-foot steps sprinting up behind you, movement in peripheral, etc. You need a “go” word to switch on. Mine’s “here we go” and my thumbs on the butt of my pistol, hand in pocket. “Pay attention” “this is combat” …I find after that, when ambushed, I’m on autopilot watching myself do stuff. You may not hear your shots. Time slows down, seeing more frames per second. Yep, read “On Combat” to understand this.

    I could relate when Mosby said “Iโ€™m always going to continue shooting a motherfucker until he stops being a threat.” You’ll either shoot him until he lays down or trade shots with him-a good way to get shot. There are perceptual distortions that happen to you in gunfight. Shit won’t make sense because time slows down and you’ll have tunnel vision bad.

    Hell, I thought a guy was done once because he layed down. Immediately after, I found cover, I mean sprinting, he unloaded on me almost shooting me in the back. I realized later that I had gotten in his ooda loop. But also that he was in an involuntary spinal reaction to injury. Injured people tend to always turn from the stimuli, look and reach for the injury. He must have realized that he still had a pistol in his hand after going fetal because he used it, until deciding he was truly done.

    Make your mind up ahead of time to be the most dangerous. Work with your SIRT trainer at home! Thanks for letting me share. I hope it saves someone’s life.

  21. Blake permalink

    Hey Mr. Mosby,

    Just throwing this out there, I use an Armordillo Concealment holster for my m&p .45 full size. Now, I’ve never been in a gun fight, I’m basically just your run of the mill civilian who fights competitively and shoots the occasional 3 gun match, so my opinion might not hold that much water. But, the last 3 gun match I was at, there were at least 3 or 4 people running raven holsters. We did a side by side comparison, and other than the shape of the holster, we couldn’t find any differences between the 2. I actually had one guy say he wished he would’ve seen mine before getting his Raven, because I spent the same on the Armordillo with a cool guy hydro dip camo job on it, and I got it in about half the time he had to wait for his. I am seriously considering trying out there X-fit holster for appendix carry. I don’t know if you’ve seen that, it’s basically just a sheath that slides over the light (like you want) and covers the trigger guard, then attaches to your belt loop. Basically a (slightly) safer mexican carry, since the trigger is covered and its attached to your belt. The only down side is they say you shouldn’t re-holster without undoing the holster, reattaching it, then reholstering, which would be slow as shit, but I’m not too familiar with anyone who runs “speed reholsters”. Mr. Colion Noir, that new spokesman for NRA has a nice review on it on youtube.

  22. Mully permalink

    Another great article. Aim all shots fired is good advice. Point shooting can be done at close range as you say but in life threatening circumstances is not recommended at any distance. I agree with that too. I have never seen anyone successfully point shoot A zones consistently at 25 yards. Aim it, make it count, you might only get that one shot.

    I have the holster you use and have no complaints. For those unfamiliar with the Vanguard 2 here’s the link:
    http://www.ravenconcealment.com/holsters/vanguard-holster-systems/vanguard-2-holster-full-kit

    They also have other great holsters.

  23. Solid article. Thanks for posting.

    • Thanks for taking the time to read it, brother. I wouldn’t want to offend your big, scary ass. Craig and Gomez deserve it, they did a lot of work on the concept. Ironically, you’re mentioned in my next article’s rough draft in this series….

      • Looking forward to reading it dude, I enjoy your writing style and always learn a lot from reading your posts.

  24. Solid article, thanks for posting. Always nice to see Gomez and Craig getting props as well. – Paul

  25. Great stuff as usual. I always learn something useful when I come to your page. Keep up the good work, JM.

  26. SMAW permalink

    I don’t think you have taken a point shooting class. I suggest taking one from Roger Philips.

  27. Jerome permalink

    I personally carry 2 guns, a g-27 in carried in an IWB at 11 o’clock and a sig 1911 in an IWB at 7 o’clock. I carry one size back up mag for the glock and 2 extra 8 round mags for the 1911. The reason I carry this load out is because I can draw the glock faster if it’s close range but for anything over 25 feet my accuracy with the glock isn’t enough for me to feel comfortable with it. With the 1911 I’d be comfortable shooting out to twice that if I had to.

    As far as holster selection goes, I’ve had very good luck with the few I have ordered from Tucker gun leather in Texas. They have a wide range of custom holsters and are not as over priced as some companies are.

    • That’s an interesting solution. I’m not saying it’s wrong, if it works for you, just interesting.

      • Jerome permalink

        Ideally I’d be carrying a full size and sub compact that could use the same magazines in the same chambering but haven’t had the money to fix that problem. I only recently got my 1911 in a trade and before that I carried only the glock. I practiced my draw on it and realized that it took longer than I like to get on target so I started carrying both. Glock for quick draw and the 45 for either back up or if the threat isn’t focused on me and I have time to get it.
        And the reason I carry where I do is because i’m one of those backasswards lefties.

  28. Agree with you re: Dale Fricke’s work. He made me an A-IWB for a 5″ XD40 that is as comfortable as could be (I’ve since gone to a G23 for my EDC, but hey, it’s what I had at the time…)

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  30. enelnelson permalink

    Going through old posts and wanted to comment: Dale Fricke made me a custom Zach holster (similar to the VG-2) that also allows for a weapon light. It works nicely and for around I think $20 worth a try.

  31. Emmanuel Joseph permalink

    John, you may want to look at this holster. It was invented in the Philippines and is also patented in the US and I think currently in service with US Homeland Security for Full Concealment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP20hbOtVI4. It is also available in the US.

  32. Emmanuel Joseph permalink

    The FREMA Full Concealment Holsters actually mimic the way the Philippine’s New People’s Army “Sparrow” Armed Partisan Units carry it on Liquidation and other Urban Guerrilla Operations They were the ones who actually assassinated Col James “Nick” Rowe at JUSMAG sometime early 90’s.

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