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June 3, 2019

What is the make and model of that drone?

Honestly? I don’t know. I know the kid well enough that, when I’m ready to actually look at purchasing one, I can say, “Hey, remember that drone you demoed in the parking lot that day? I want one.” I will make it a point however, next time I am in that area, to stop in and find out, even though I’m not looking at one too hard, for quite a while yet.


Hi! I’m a long time fan and I’ve got The Reluctant Partisan, but I’d like to get your opinion on something.

I currently have 2 AK-47’S , an SKS, a K98 Mauser, and a Remington 870.
I recently got some extra cash and I’m torn between getting a SCARS 20S in .308 or a Bushmaster AR-15 in 5.56.

What would you suggest?

As I mentioned in the email response to this enquiry, I haven’t priced a SCAR in a while. If I was going to get another .308 semi-auto (some readers may be surprised to know that we actually do own a Springfield M1A Squad-Scout….), it would be some variant of the M110, and I’d probably end up getting it in 6.5 Creedmoor. I don’t have a LOT of experience with the 6.5, but the few times I have shot it, it was pretty slick at 1000+ yards. I can get hits with a .308 at 1000, but it’s work. The 6.5 actually made me look good doing it, it was so convenient.

On the other hand, the only way I would own a Bushmaster these days, is if someone GAVE it to me, and even then, I’d probably tear it down, check the specs on the lower, and rebuild it completely. If you’ve got a Bushy and it runs like a raped ape, great! I’ve seen Bushies that were great guns. On the other hand, I’ve also seen Bushmasters that were epic pieces of shit, wouldn’t cycle a full magazine without more malfunctions than not, and were so out-of-spec, when checked, that it’s a miracle the fucking guns didn’t explode in the shooter’s hands. Unfortunately, I’ve seen far more of those than the previous.

If the choice is legitimately the SCAR v. the Bushmaster, I’d probably go with the SCAR just because I trust FN more than I trust Bushmaster (who I actually thought was out-of-business anyway. Didn’t Wyndham take over the Bushmaster machinery?). That having been said, if I was in that boat, and could afford the SCAR, I’d probably drop the money on a really nice AR-variant instead. What I’d be most likely to do though, is buy something good, if not great, like a Colt, and then drop the money to set it up how I wanted it, before dumping all the rest of the money available into magazines and ammunition for it.

While I live in an area where 5.56 is not only legal to hunt all of the available big game, and will reliably drop all of the big game, given adequate marksmanship, I have also lived in a place where it was neither legal nor morally conscionable to hunt most big game with the caliber. For a general preparedness rifle, I might look at a .308, because it can cover both anti-personnel and opportunistic game harvesting, if I still lived in the Rockies. On the other hand, the commenter noted that they have the K98, which should be more than adequate for hunting needs, so I might consider sticking to just the AR for anti-personnel/protection applications.

Hey pal, so I saw your call for questions on your last email and I have had one for awhile now. Since it’s summer, the wife has a tendency to want to do some travel/vacation type road trips. During these excursions I have a tendency to pack a little heavy (rifle, plate carrier, food, water etc.)…

The scenario above has pretty much been bugging me since last summer.  The wife and I and 3 kids took a trip to Gatlenburg, TN from the area north of Milwaukee.  Our one way was about 700 miles.  Due to some logistics challenges we had to drive separately; the 13 and 16 year old girls rode with my wife and had a 3 hour lead on us. I had my 11 year old boy.

A good part of my trip had me thinking about the worst case scenario: the cars break down, the balloon goes up, and we need to try to get home.  Oh, and we are separated…

I was kicking myself the entire time about being under prepared; despite having both Reluctant Partisan books, Forging the Hero, Pastor Joe’s teachings and some other books read and use as a base to prepare.

So I started a working list from the ground up; ALICE ruck and LBE gear, water, water filter, long gun, Gadsen Dynamics Chest Rig, sleep system, extra socks, mole skin….  The list goes on and on. 

I’ve acted on it too, gathered it up, it’s ready for that next trip. I have enough practiced outdoor skills, and enough gear, that an overland trip would at least be conceivable.

But keeping on the above, I’m having a hard time solving for the issue of food. 

I can lose some weight.  My son can’t lose much weight before he’d be in rough shape, just trying to walk home. 

Here are the options I came up with (from easiest to hardest):

1. Carry food

2. Cache (that’s probably more challenging that just a #2, but it’s at least feasible)

3. Scavenge/Beg (and maybe get shot for looting)

4. Fish

5. Hunt

6. Trap

Typical preparation mentality tells us not to depend on Hunt, Fish, or Trap. It seems to me that past even 200 or so miles my son is going to be having trouble, and might well be dead by 300 miles…

Given some of your travel, and the large overland gap you might encounter; how have you solved for this? 

Thank you for your time.  I hope the issue with your family medical challenge goes well.
I’m never going to be mistaken for “The Great White Hunter.” I’ve hunted, and done alright. I’ve guided hunters in two major hunting states where big game hunting requires licensed guiding. Last year, I harvested two deer, out of the eight I had tags for (in my defense, I don’t “hunt,” which I’ll discuss below. I harvest, opportunistically). One of those was from inside the house, shooting out the kitchen window, and the other was while I was sitting on the front porch, so….take this with those qualifications in mind…

Solutions that we’ve worked out, to one degree or another.

1) Carrying food, as you mentioned, is limited by realistic payload weights. Sure, I can throw on a 65# ruck and do a conditioning road march, and I can probably throw on a ruck twice that weight, as I’ve done in the past, and move long distances, if I’m willing to trade speed. But…unlike when I was a young soldier in my 20s, I will likely not be trying to get home with a rifle squad of Rangers, also in their twenties, or an ODA of SF guys in our 20s and 30s. Instead, it will be with a wife in her 30s, and three children, only one of whom can carry a load any distance, and that only a light load (oldest kid weighs right at 80 pounds. Granted, she’s lean and fit and strong for her age and size, but 25% of her bodyweight is still only 20#. Since she already carries a small pack with survival gear in it, that doesn’t leave much room for foodstuffs…

Another of those kids is less than a year old, and not yet ambulatory. So that means, either my wife or myself is carrying him, unless he’s in a stroller….

So, when it comes to carried foodstuffs for that scenario, my solution is, lots of rice and lots of oatmeal (I don’t eat beans). Five dry pounds of rice will go a LONG way…add another five dry pounds of oatmeal, and while they are hardly a full meal, they will provide a lot of base calories. I also started last year, producing “rockahominy.” For those unaware of it, rockahominy is the old mountain equivalent of the Southwest’s “pinole.” It is simply dried feed corn that has been parched in an oven, or in my case, in a cast iron pan, on the woodstove. It is then ground into meal, and blended with seasonings or flavorings.

Depending on the seasonings used, it usually tastes either like Corn Nuts, or like popcorn. Traditionally, it was apparently mixed with either a small amount of salt, or a small amount of raw cane sugar. I use the latter. The kids LOVE it. I like it. The wife’s attitude is, “Eh…It’s okay. I’ll eat it if I’m hungry.” The cool thing about rockahominy is, a single tablespoon, eaten dry, and then followed by drinking water, will absorb the water, and expand in your stomach. It provides a much more sated feeling than other options, tastes better than most, and will go a LONG way (seriously. I ate two tablespoons one day, and ended up curled up sick, thinking my stomach was going to explode, for most of a night…). If a person was traveling by himself, two pounds of rockahominy, and two pounds of jerked meat would last a LONG lot of traveling, all by themselves.

2) Caches might work, if it’s a route you travel frequently and regularly, and you had hide sites where you could emplace the caches that would be safe…I’ve written about caches in the past on this blog. It’s certainly something to look into, even just for extra stores around your local area. If you have a bug-out location far from home, I would certainly emplace caches along my PACE routes…

3) Scavenging and Begging are contentious issues. Most people in the preparedness community have the firmly ensconced idea that “I can only prepare for my people.” That’s not wrong, but then there’s the other side that points out “Charity is the Lord’s work,” and they intend to be ready to help folks that genuinely need it. So…I don’t know. Our plans involve having materials to help the people we know that don’t prepare, for whatever reason, but those plans also require them working to earn their keep, so…I think, far better than “begging” is the idea of being prepared to offer to work for a meal. This was, apparently (I don’t know, since I wasn’t born yet), pretty common in rural areas during the Depression, and it’s certainly been common in other eras, around the world.

As far as scavenging, I suspect it could go two ways. In the first, once people start recognizing that Big Uncle ain’t coming to save them, any unsecured resources in a community are probably going to get snatched up and secured pretty quick, under lock-and-key, and probably armed guard.

On the other hand, depending on the nature of the scenario, and how quickly it takes people to recognize what is going on, there may be a lot of unsecured resources, for quite some time. Since the vast, vast, vast majority of people in this country, even amongst the “prepared,” suffer an amazing amount of Normalcy Bias, I suspect the latter to be the case for quite some time.

Then, it’s a matter of defining “scavenging” versus “stealing” in your own mind and morals. As far as the risk of getting shot. If you’ve got a wife and a kid, both of whom can shoot, I’d be thinking of setting up an overwatch element while I went in to look for shit, and trusting them to not let me get caught by surprise….In the commenter’s case, there’s no reason, at all, that an 11 year old boy, and two teenage girls, and a wife, couldn’t put themselves to very good use as a security element…

3) Foraging: I’m going to include hunting, fishing, and trapping all under this category.

First, plain foraging, as we usually use the word today, generally refers to edible wild and feral plants. I’ve done quite a bit of survival training in my life, both in and out of the military. The best training I’ve had was outside of the military, in this context. The universal edibility test was probably the single most useful aspect of military wild edible training I received. I’ve done “wild edible walks” in the Rockies, the Ozarks, the Smoky Mountains, the Adirondacks, and Alaska. I’ve got a pretty good grasp of wild edibles.

We also encourage the growth of wild edibles on our property, and in fact, about 7/8 of our “lawn” is actually useful forage plants, including anything from clover to two different varieties of plaintain, gobs of yarrow, and others. We have cattails growing in two of our three ponds, that I refuse to do away with, etc….

Here’s what I’ve learned about wild edible plants: They’re seasoning, for the most part. Sure, you might stumble across a horde of wild fruit or berries or nuts. Acorns can be leached and ground into a reasonably palatable flour substitute. Chicory makes a horrid tasting coffee substitute (full disclosure, I hate coffee, so I’m probably a poor judge of that…), but generally speaking, you’re not going to gather enough wild edibles to make a respectable meal. Even most “hunter-gatherers” did a lot more of what we do on our place, where they note the locations of useful plants, and then encourage them to grow more and more, so “gathering” is really gathering, and not “randomly wandering around in the woods looking for something yummy.”

So, by all means learn and know your wild edible plants, especially in your home area (and some of them grow pretty much every-fucking-where in the continental US). Start adding some into salads or soups or stews. Learn to look for them when you go on hikes with family. Hell, look for them in people’s lawns as you walk down the street. You might be surprised (although I’d be hesitant to eat anything out of the lawn of someone I don’t know, for fear of what kind of shit they put in their yard…)

Fishing is a pretty good survival food-procurement tactic. With a trotline or two, it’s pretty easy to gather in quite a bit of protein, without wasting much energy, and without worrying about being exposed for any great length of time. We did a lot of trot-lining as a kid (I don’t even know if it’s still legal…good thing I have a couple of ponds stocked with fish so I can teach my kids…), and growing up in a family with five kids, it was a big help. I carry a handline set-up in one of my rucks, but honestly, it’s mostly to set up trotlines or juglines.

Trapping is, to me, a no-brainer for “Get Home” food procurement. Not heavy-duty, hardcore Furbearer market trapping, but catching small animals that can be harvested quickly, cooked quickly, and eaten in one meal, by a couple of people.

There are lists out there (Bruce “Buckshot” Hemming’s “Survival Trapping Guide” should be in every prepper’s library) of what a person needs, trap wise, to make a go of trapping in a grid-down scenario. Some are designed to make a living off bartering the pelts and meat of the trapped game. Others are designed to give you an idea of how to set up a trapline to feed your family (Regardless of what you think of him, Ragnar Benson’s book “Survival Poaching” was, in my opinion, one of his better books, and I’m not ashamed to admit I learned quite a few tricks from it, as well as having my awareness expanded in ways I hadn’t considered, when I read it the first time, back in the 90s, after finding it in the post library one day…).

My “Get Home” trapping kit is pretty simple. I’ve got a dozen pre-made wire snares of differing sizes, and a dozen of the big “rat traps.” They’re exactly like the wooden and coil spring mouse traps you use in your house, but they’re significantly larger, since they’re designed for rats, instead of mice.

Why rat traps? Well, first, because I will definitely eat a rat, if it’s that or starve. Clean them, cook them thoroughly, and ignore the fact of what you’re eating, and you’ll be fine. Hell, I’ve eaten worse. More importantly, I carry them because they are lightweight, and make a dandy squirrel trap, if you wire a couple of them to a tree, and bait them with a bit of peanut butter. I’ve actually put six of them on the same tree before, and caught six squirrels by morning. Chipmunks will also fall victim, and I may have caught a bird or two before…

I can set up a dozen rat traps in less than fifteen minutes, wiring them to trees and baiting them. If I do that during a security check, before or after moving the family into a RON site, I can also set snares out on any likely looking trails, and the whole shebang will generally take me less than 30 minutes, unless the place is just crawling with rabbit trails. I don’t do a lot of prep work for my snares though. I usually just hang them, and secure them to a heavy drag of some sort, and then use whatever broken, fallen debris is nearby to modify the trail in order to channel stuff into the snares. Generally, setting a snare takes me about two minutes….and if it takes me much longer than that, in my experience, I’m wasting my time, because I won’t catch anything anyway. The sub-2:00 minute sets though, tend to be pretty successful for me.

Hunting. As I mentioned above, I’m not a “hunter.” I simply do not see the allure in going out, before daylight, in the cold, to go sit in a tree stand and freeze my ass off, hoping to get a deer. For me, going out in the dark, to move around in the woods is called “training.” I’ve also got livestock at home, so I don’t “NEED” to fill my freezer with me, because they’re all already full.
As such, hunting for me is opportunistic. Since I’ve always got a pistol on, and I’ve generally—especially in the truck or around the farm—got a rifle within a step or two, if I happen to see a deer, and it happens to be in season, I’ll take the shot. Otherwise, I’ve got far more efficient uses of my time and energy.

That having been said, for me, hunting on the “get home” journey is pretty much the same thing, with an important caveat: If I shoot a deer, now I’ve got meat that I can’t let go to waste…so now, I’ve got to kill a couple of days processing that meat and smoking and drying it…which delays my return home.

That’s not to say I wouldn’t take advantage of the opportunity, but I’d definitely think a moment or two before I took the shot… Rabbits and other small game though…it would depend entirely on the security situation. I’m not going to carry a bow or a crossbow with me just to silently harvest game, but if I think I can take a single shot safely, I’m going to take it.

One of the truisms about survival hunting is one I think is greatly overhyped. That is, “everyone will be hunting, and the game will be depleted quickly. It happened in the Great Depression.”

Yes, and no.

Yes, there are significantly more deer today than there were in the Great Depression. There are also significantly more deer today than there were by 1900, thirty years before the Great Depression. It had little to do with “Joe Public” and his hunting prowess, and a whole lot to do with market hunting. Certainly, people hunting for sustenance during the ‘30s didn’t particularly help deer population numbers, since most of the people who were hunting were probably significantly more familiar with both deer habits, and their local hunting grounds than most modern folks—including avid hunters—are, but…the devastation of wild game in the US had, again, little to do with sustenance hunting, and a LOT to do with market hunting.

That’s not to say market hunting won’t make a comeback after a collapse. It probably will, but there’s a couple of caveats to that, as well, in my mind.

a) The average recreational hunter today is not some good ol’ boy, living out in the country. The average recreational hunter today lives in a subdivision, and has a 9-5 middle-class job that allows him to afford the ATVs, UTVs, a gun for each species he hunts, game cameras, and the vacation time to take off during hunting season.
b) In many parts of the country, the average recreational hunter is either hunting on public ground—state and national forest or BLM ground—or has a hunting lease that allows him to hunt on private, deeded property. He doesn’t get the opportunity to really KNOW the ground, as much as he might like to think he does.

c) Despite all the technological marvels available to the modern hunter, the average recreational hunter does not fill even one tag most years. Sure, some of that is because they’re holding out for a “trophy buck,” but based on numbers from different state game commissions, combined with talking to a LOT of people (an incredibly scientific basis, I know…), I remain convinced that somewhere in the vicinity of 95% of recreational hunters do not fill a tag three years out of five. Now, they’re suddenly going to become Peter Capstick, when they are starving, scared, and desperate? Sure they are.
d) Even among my very rural neighbors, most don’t own enough land to hunt on their own property. So, while they tend to live closer to where they hunt, and so get to hunt during the week during hunting season, and can scout better before season, since they can get out there after work, they still don’t tend to be particularly great at it. We have one group of neighbors, there’s about six adult men and two adult women of the group that actively hunt. They’ve all lived in the area their entire lives (I went to school with a couple of them). They spend their entire year reading hunting magazines, watching hunting shows on television, and talking about and planning their hunts. Last year, between them, they harvested three deer…

The thing is, most people don’t think about the fact that—especially with whitetails—the best place to hunt them isn’t in the woods. It’s on the edge of cultivated fields. So, now, the grid is down, society is collapsing around you, and all these people are suddenly going to start hanging out…with guns…on the edges of farms? Sounds like a damned good way to cull the population issue quickly.

So no, I don’t think the deer are all going to vanish in the first weeks of a situation. Number one, most people are actually really shitty hunters anyway, and number two, the places they are most likely to actually find deer are also the places they are most likely to get shot as a result of being there. I guarantee that farmer, who drives a tractor or pickup around those fields everyday, is going to notice an out-of-place bush a lot sooner, even though he’s walking now, than you are to notice him slipping along the margins of his field.

That aside, if I WAS planning on actively hunting big game for food, either for a “get home” scenario, or for general sustenance in the area around our farm, I’d be running night vision, IR lasers, and suppressors on the hunting guns. I’d hunt in buddy teams, and I’d only take head shots.

That way, once the shot was taken, one guy can go to work field dressing, while the other pulls security, and they can both get it off site and to a hide site faster, to finish the processing. This, not so much because I’d be worried about the starving masses showing up, but because I wouldn’t want the farmer who’s field I just shot the deer out of, to come shoot me.


That response ended up going way out into left field, but hopefully it answered the question somewhat…

Yes, I said I was going to have a regular article this week. Last week’s issue ended up taking longer to get resolved than expected though, so I had to put it off. I’m going to work on that article, and a write up on our solar power system in the coming week, so, hopefully…..

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  1. Chris permalink

    Looking forward to the solar article. I’m sure it can’t be that complicated but I still wanted to wait to buy until I read it.

    • In the interest of constructively addressing that approach vs a flamethrower, YES it can be complicated otherwise you will have already pulled the trigger. Article will likely indicate the work YOU need to do in order to have a solar setup that will address your needs.
      Probably can get a jump on that (if you haven’t already), by establishing the goal of a system, i.e. Supplement grid or current off grid or post shtf basic necessities, or ????? Then you can start designing or looking for a system to fulfill those goals.
      I too look forward to the article. The description of of an existing, operational system is valuable info in the process of getting your setup in place. Info on things that do not or did not work out is valuable, avoid repeating mistakes!

  2. Ben C permalink

    Remington bought out Bushmaster, closed the plant, fired the employees, and moved production to NY. The guy who used to own Bushmaster thought that was BS, and also a good opportunity to open back up and make money again. So he started Wyndham Wyponry (or however you say it), and is back making the same grade ARs they were making as Bushmaster of old.

    I would stay away from Bushmaster the same way I would stay away from current Remington products.

    Digging the posts man, glad to see you back online on the regular.

    • Rev matt permalink

      You say it the normal way. “Windham Weaponry” 🙂

  3. SharpsShtr permalink

    I’ve been considering the problem of moving with kids and supplies for a while as the daughters have midgets of their own. Plus I’m not as young and spry as I’d like to think that I am.

    I came upon a possible solution on Indiegogo where a company is doing a startup on a thing called a PolyMule. Basically it’s a two wheel cart that looks like a smaller version of the old Mormon carts. The nice thing is that it breaks down and packs up small so that it could be carried on a trip and then setup to haul the load if things go south. It’s other nice feature is that it has what they call “Uphill Assist”, which basically allows you to set the wheels so they only turn one way so that it doesn’t roll back down the hill you’ve just lugged it up.

    I would think that looking it over a person that was somewhat handy with tools could probably create something fairly close to fit their needs. It’s designed for off-road use, but would still probably require a trail or semi-open country.

    Seems like it could be a good thing to throw extra gear, food, and kids on to travel a little farther faster. It’s not so important that you couldn’t ditch it if need be.

  4. TheSpartanMonkey permalink

    Check out this dude’s channel if you’re thinking of survival trapping. He traps and eats some nasty stuff.

  5. anonymous permalink

    Thank you. That is a good topic, keeping fed while in the field as a forager, not just carrying it. I’m a life long hunter and agree – sometimes, wildlife can be very uncooperative as far as making themselves available for consumption. I recall a trip long ago that I resolved not to pack any food – gonna live off the land. Because I’m a bad ass hunter.

    Holy crap was I hungry – all the animals evidently took a cruise that week to Cabo San Lucas, lol. No rabbit – deer – birds, they had disappeared. An arctic front had blown through and they stopped moving, waiting it out. I gave up and went home after two days – couldn’t hack it. I know – what a wuss, two days of no food. i can only imagine what will happen when its For Real.

  6. Moe Grimm permalink

    Wow, this went really into left field. BACK to the question: M1A (2 of them) and if your domicile indicates social work at <300 yds. M4orgery. (2 of them). a 12 ga. shotgun )) buck and/or 1 Buck. And a side arm of course… . large capacity 9mm though me preference is .45 ACP… just fine with 230 gr. fatboys. I've heard its done quite well. WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam. Still does.

  7. Weredragon permalink

    Long term the white tales will lose significant numbers. Not because of good hunting skills but because hunters will start ignoring game laws. Last year I could have shot half a dozen does and two spike bucks that I had to let pass because in my zone a buck has to have three points on one side before he’s legal. In survival situations first come, first shot. Also they will forget about seasons and limits on how many can be taken. Same as hunting after dark with N/V, which is an extra use I hadn’t considered for it in regards to preparing.

  8. Diz permalink

    The survival gun battery debate goes way back. At least folks now acknowledge the 5.56 is a viable choice. The issue of quality control. Practically every gun mfg has had issues, at one time or another, so I wouldn’t just mother-fuck Bushys by themselves. Practically any weapon you care to mention has had lemons come out of the factory; some more than others. The point being, a good gunsmith inspection should always be done as soon as possible, and get rid of any problem weapons. I’ve had good Bushys, I’ve had bad ones. I’ve had good FN/PSA, I’ve had bad ones. QC is often a moving target, when demand goes up.

    Much has been written about survival food gathering. Most of it is bullshit. Mosby is one of very few that actually goes back to what pioneers and explorers did, which leads me to believe it actually works. Or if you want to go back further, research what the local Indian tribes did, as Ragnar suggested. Carrying a corn or oatmeal mix, and jerky, is a much more sustainable plan, than all your freeze-dried stuff.

    As for E&Eing with a family group; that’s a tough one. But again, looking at our ancestors, you can see what families did, as they moved across country, looking for work during the Depression. Vehicles became homes and the journey was an extended camping trip. Stops were made long enough to earn food and supplies. Taking regular vacations like this would prepare you for hard times. It’s just what everyone did when I was a kid.

  9. anonymous permalink

    I am reminded of some years back, of a unit which allowed .22 caliber pellets being loaded into a .223 Remington rifle case and fired using primer only. At the time, it was used for target practice but I wonder if this would serve as a .22 pellet rifle. It would be a single shot proposition of course with autoloaders.

  10. SharpsShtr permalink

    So what is your preference in tourniquets: C-A-T Gen7s, SOTT-Ws, or the RMTs? Is there a need to diversify or is going all with one brand okay?

  11. Ken Carden permalink

    This is not a reply to anything posted this week, but a response to your general “get off your ass and get in shape” castigation. 

    There is a growing body of evidence that it just doesn’t take that much time to get and stay in reasonable shape, even at advanced age (I’m 71 – USA, disabled retired at 22 – and use a wheelchair)  and work out two hours twice a week.   Half of that is shoulder rehabilitation from pushing a wheelchair wrong for the last 50 years, but half is pushing hard and fast to exhaust each muscle I have left to what is called “momentary muscle failure.” Push each exercise till you simply have completely exhausted the muscle you are working out and go on to the next.

    I found this article on a new study sprinting that I thought would interest you.  It’s not the time you spend doing it, it’s the effort you put into doing it.

    Ken Carden

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