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June 24, 2019

1) We’ve been getting an unusual amount of rain and severe weather over the last month. Yesterday, we got somewhere in the vicinity of six inches, in less than twelve hours. Entire sections of paved roads have washed away, the county fire department received something like 22 calls in six hours about dumbfucks driving into flooded areas over the road and getting washed downstream (more the pity for natural selection, apparently none have died from their stupidity thus far).

I called one of our neighbors yesterday, who works for the county, to see if there was anything I could do to help out, since he’s also on the fire department. He was in the middle of checking power lines in another part of the county, because something like 2/3 of the rural county were without power. Later, I also found out a quarter of our county, and the neighboring county were under mandatory boil orders for water, because a road washout had busted a water main, and they got it fixed, but…

One of the cool factors of being off-grid is, when the weather gets really bad like this, and either the neighbors or our clan are losing their shit, because the power is out, etc, we can sit back calmly, let them know we still have power and clean drinking water, and if they want to come hang out, the kids can watch cartoons or play, and we’ll have an old time visiting session.

And, that is really cool. What is not so cool is when the lightning is groundstriking in your front yard, and a bolt takes out your solar power system….

The problem of course, is that there’s literally, nobody to blame. The lightning is just being lightning. That’s what lightning does. I can’t blame the power company. The only person I could blame is myself, for not installing my grounding properly. That doesn’t do any good for anybody though, so instead, I just cussed for a minute, then shrugged, and got to work on remedying the situation.

Fortunately, it didn’t destroy the system. The panels, battery bank, and charge controller were unharmed. All it did was blow the inverter. That was a relatively easy swap. I didn’t have another 5KW inverter on hand, but I do have a backup inverter. I walked down to the shed, pulled it out, brought it up to the “Power Wall” in the house, and mounted it, then hooked the power to it instead of the 5KW one.

It’s a temporary fix, to be sure. It’s the 2KW inverter we used before we installed the 5KW early in 2018. It can’t be hardwired into the house system, so we’re back to running lights on extension cords for a few days. It’s also only a 2KW system, and each of the outlets will only handle a fraction of that, so I can’t plug the deep freezer into it. Fortunately, for the time being, we can move stuff out of the chest freezer, and put it in other clan members’ freezers. I ordered a new inverter, and I will probably order ANOTHER inverter as a backup, keeping the 2KW as a tertiary back-up, until it goes into the gym building (that has to be built still), for power there.

At one point yesterday, HH6 was looking out the front window, and turned to me, “Uhm…John? The pond is running over the top of the dam.” I looked out, and sure enough, a solid 30’ section of the dam had an easy 6” of water flowing—rapidly—over the top of it. It was deep enough and fast enough—and focused enough—that I had a moment of concern it could blow out the dam. Then, I realized, there wasn’t a fucking thing one I could do about it, so I wasn’t going to worry about it at the moment.

There are several important points to all of this.

One of those is, you can only control what you can control. So, control that, and the rest belongs to fate. Roll with it, and don’t let yourself get stressed out about shit that’s outside of your control. I don’t have any way to stop lightning storms from happening. I also live on top of a mountain, which means we’re going to get a lot more lightning ground strikes than if we lived on the floor of the valley. There’s nothing I can do about that.

What I CAN control is making sure I get my grounding done right next time, and hope that ameliorates the potential for future damage to the PV system. It should.

I can’t control the fact that, when we get a foot of rain in three days, that my pond is going to overflow. If it overflows enough, its probably going to wash out the earthen dam that holds it in place. I can’t stop that.

What I CAN control, is doing some earthwork, in the form of berms and ditches and hugelkultur beds, to slow some of the water reaching the pond. This has the added benefit of keeping my soil wetter, longer, which is good for the garden, trees, and meadow. I can’t stop most of the water though, because the pond is spring-fed internally, and takes in overflow off the neighbor’s pond, up the creek from us. So, if, despite my best efforts, it blows the dam…well, then it blows the dam. We’ll get to work rebuilding it (the dam does have an overflow ditch, and it was overflowing as well. It was really just a matter of too much water, too fast, even on top of the mountain. I pity the poor fuckers that live in the valley, and built their houses next to the creek.)

The second important point is the whole “two is one, and one is none” mantra that so many people like to spew unthinkingly. While there is some truth to it, it should never be taken as “Oh, you have to purchase two of everything, because one will break.” That’s certainly ONE approach to the issue, but I think the example I experienced yesterday was a better approach. We didn’t have an extra of the same inverter. What we had was a lesser inverter, and the knowledge to get it installed, and a functioning system working, to get us by.

What if I couldn’t order a new inverter of the size and type I needed, and we were stuck with the secondary, inferior inverter we’re using for the moment? Well, it would suck, but we’d still have electric lights, the ability to charge battery packs for power tools, and the ability to charge radios for communications, so it’s hardly a life-shattering issue. It would require a slight downgrade, but that’s it. Less cartoons on the DVD player for the kids is a negative only in their minds, and it’s not much of a negative even to them, since they’d rather play checkers with Dad than watch cartoons anyway.

This is one of the things that a lot of people, both among my prepper friends, and my tree hugger hippy friends, don’t seem to get. No, solar power isn’t going to allow us to maintain a “modern” standard of living indefinitely. We have a LOT less electronics in our house than most people do. We don’t leave the television and stereo on, 24/7 for background noise. We don’t get to use the cartoons on the television as babysitters.

None of those are negatives in my mind though. What solar does do, is it offers us a buffer. We can downshift more slowly, in an emergency. We’re already ahead of the curve, so it’s even more beneficial.

That’s the idea behind a PACE plan, after all. It’s “Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency.” It’s not “Primary, Equally Primary, Still a Primary, and Extra Primary.” In an ideal world, we’d have enough PV panels and battery bank storage to last my great-great-great grandchildren. That’s not realistic though. Our Primary, for power is, we run the house on solar, and have a gas generator for running select items that the PV system won’t handle, for short periods of time. Our Alternate is, we run less stuff on the PV system, and use the gas generator if we can get fuel for it, and move the freezer contents to someone else’s freezer for the time being. Everything else gets done with hand tools. Our contingency is candles, oil lamps, and hand tools, and we start canning or salt curing all the stuff that we can, out of the freezer. Our Emergency plan is we start making candles out of beeswax, and use them for light. Everything gets either dehydrated in the sun, or salt-cured and cold-smoked for storage.

It’s the idea expressed in the title of one of John Michael Greer’s books, “Collapse Now and Avoid the Rush.” You don’t have to start living in a cardboard box, and drive a stolen grocery cart to work, but simplify. Identify what is actually important to you, and what is not, and start making those separations.

2)….regarding the June 16 comment on spring water….the old plumber’s rule of thumb is “as long as your spring box is higher than your roof’s peak you’ll have enough water pressure to run a gravity fed system”

The grade at my house sits five feet above the normal surface of the nearest pond. The peak of my roof sits 20 feet above that….We’re on top of the mountain, which means we catch a LOT of wind (last night, we were catching 80mph winds). So, even pumping into an elevated storage tank, and gravity feeding from there, isn’t realistic. Sure, I COULD build a tower that would withstand that, but it’s so far outside of my budget as to be impossible.

3) RE: Water supply. You might look into a homemade ram pump. Two moving parts and can develop a substantial amount of volume using zero outside power.

I’ve looked into it quite a bit. Without risking draining my pond from JULY-SEP, it won’t work for us. Rainwater catchment on the other hand, has worked really well for the last three years, and it’s now just a matter of getting the plumbing finished, and a 12v pump tied in. I MAY do an extra line, running from the pond, to the water storage tanks, with another 12v pump, so if we DO get dangerously low on water storage, I can always refill from the pond.

One off-grid place I lived in the past, we had an old Toyota 4wd pickup, with a 500 gallon tank in the back. We’d go down to the spring pond, use a small gasoline powered pump to fill the tank in the back of the Yota, and then pump it out of there into the household catchments. That worked pretty well, as long as we had fuel for the truck (and since that truck didn’t get used for anything else, a tank of fuel would last a long time) and the pump.

4) Your eyes must be brown….you are full of shit

Nope. Beatiful, bright blue. Have a very SF day.

5) DeWalt circular and reciprocating saws do not pull too much battery to be useful. I use a 7-1/4” circular saw and reciprocating saw hard, both cordless, daily. Both are newer 20v brushless and I do use 6 MAH batteries.

I’ve used the cordless circular saw for almost two years now, I think, and I love it. I’ve only used my cordless sawzall a few times.

6) Meh, it’s not so ironic that a book with Nazis would have them killing mostly other Germans. In an American boogaloo situation, Americans would be facing off against mostly other Americans.

The book is set during the 30 Years War. There were no Nazis in the book. What I said was, I found it ironic that the Nazis loved this book, because it was almost inherently an anti-nationalist story. The protagonists in the book spent most of their lives killing German soldiers, as often as they killed Swedish soldiers.

7) My electrical engineering background was more into integrated circuits, but I’m not really comfortable running 12V batteries in parallel. One with low voltage is going to suck current from the others. On the other hand, if it works, carry on.

Absolutely a concern, but it would be a concern if I was running a 24v or 48v system as well, since it would still be built out of smaller 12v or 6v batteries (unless I got really wild, and used 3v batteries!). My solution is, I shut down the system once per month, disconnect the entire battery bank for 45 minutes, and test each battery with a voltmeter. If I have one more than .2 different than the rest, I will pull and replace it. It hasn’t happened so far. My current battery bank is pushing two years, for the youngest battery, and when I pulled it apart and tested it last month, by readings were all between 12.58 and 12.61. (For those that don’t know, a 12v battery, at 100% charge, should actually read 12.6….ish….)

8) Don’t place too much faith on building inspector expertise. Some are truly good, but many of them only enforce ‘The Code’ and any infractions of it are their only concern. I speak as a CAD draftsman who has worked for architects since 1986 and that has been a lot of our experience.

THE POCKET REFERENCE by Thomas J. Glover has a lot of good information on . . . well, just about everything, lol. Not very expensive and worth referring to.

It’s not that I think the building inspector is an expert. It’s more a matter of, I can call them and get input on something. “Hey, what does code call for here?” Then, I can decide if I agree with it, or want to overbuild it (my house is WAY overbuilt, in most regards).

Fortunately, we have several guys in the clan who have made their careers in the trades, all of them working their way up the ladder to supervisory positions, so there’s a lot of collective expertise for me to call on.

I LOVE The Pocket Reference! I’ve had three or four copies over the years. My very first one was actually a HS graduation gift from my grandfather, who insisted, “It might seem dumb right now, but you’ll use this, a lot, in your life, if you’re as smart as I think you are.”

9) The second idea is to set up a piston pump powered mechanically by a windmill. From other things you’ve said it seems you have more than enough wind, but with the obvious possibility of damage from storms.

This is actually an idea I’ve put a lot of thought into as well. The only reason I’ve considered a 12v pump from the pond instead, is because of time constraints and convenience (which sounds weird, coming from me, even to me…). I can hook up a 12v pump, at this stage, in about three minutes. Building a windmill with a piston pump, is going to take me—at least—a week, just to figure out what parts I need.

I really do love the idea though. My wife would love it too, because then she could make me build her one for the gardens.

10) Watch the Jordan Peterson’s video on connection between PTSD and believing that people are inherently good. This is a strategic mistake in dealing with violence and being violent. Most of the people who suffer from PTSD are the ones who believed that People are inherently good (think of themselves in this category) and then get into a very violent situation and reacted very violently to survive. They then have guilt from scaring themselves because how horrible they they think they reacted. People who believe humans are inherently bad (evil) understand that it lies just under the surface and are ready for it. It is a very good video. I think it is this one.

I’m not particularly a fan of Peterson, but he’s right, in my experience, on this. I don’t remember where I first came across this theory, years ago, but I’ve found it to be true. Most of the guys I know, who deal with PTSD—myself included—don’t have issues with the fact that they hurt or killed people. It is almost exclusively a result of survivor’s guilt, and/or simple panic about having been in a situation where we felt like we had zero control over the outcome for some time, and the fear of being back in a similar situation. The very few I personally know who have had “I hurt someone” guilt, were almost exclusively a product of middle-class, mainstream church-attending families, who believed the “people are inherently good” myth.

Those of us that grew up getting the shit kicked out of us, on the playground, and at home—sometimes to the inarguable extent of it being abusive—seldom hold any illusions about the nature of people, and often times actually relish the authorization of lashing out and hurting assholes.

11) RE: Dies the Fire by S.M. Stirling

Love this series, really shows the effect of a leader on a community’s formation, as well as showing how fast we’d fall and bounce back after losing access to technology.

There is also a companion series involving the same “Change”, called “Island in the Sea of Time”, where the island of Nantucket and the USCGC Eagle are tossed back to 1250 BC

Ironically, I read the Islands in the Sea of Time trilogy, before I read Dies the Fire. I had come across The Protector’s War (second in the Dies the Fire Trilogy), at our local library, and read it, and then was looking for the first book, when I discovered the IST trilogy. I read them, and then finally found a copy of Dies The Fire (this was pre-Amazon, for anyone wondering…).

Like the Dies The Fire Trilogy, it has a lot of good examples of thinking outside of the box in what is essentially a “grid down” situation, albeit this time, with the convenience of not just a community, but an armed and manned sailing ship with a military crew aboard…

If I’m totally honest, I suspect that Dies the Fire and Islands in the Sea of Time, were actually really influential on my philosophies regarding preparedness. I grew up with a grandfather who preached the importance of both preparedness and community, but it really didn’t stick, consciously, until I read those books. Of course, I explored the topic in a lot of detail in Forging the Hero

12) Context would be a key here. From my observations very few come out of the military that have not been deeply affected, physically, emotionally from being involved in warfare. While some derive enjoyment out of hurting others most are profoundly affected for the rest of their lives, hence PTSD and the high rates of suicide. When it needs to be done then you do it, just don’t think you will ever be the same.

One of the books in this week’s From the Library article is Sebastian Junger’s Tribe, which spends a significant portion of the book talking about this. Sure, there are changes that occur, but, much like Junger, I believe the vast, vast majority of those changes, including depression, are less a result of having gone to war, and much, much, much more about having to come back to this fucked-up, dysfunctional thing we call a society.

And, in fact, the rate of suicide, among GWOT veterans is actually LOWER than the statistical norm across the entire population, contrary to the mythology being perpetuated. For one brief period of time, in like 2008, there was a spat of veteran suicides, to the tune of 22 per day. BUT….when you actually look past the memes, the majority of those were not GWOT veterans. Most were either Vietnam or Cold War era veterans.

This whole idea of “going to war makes you a victim” pisses me off, to no end.

13) Recommended read:
Dave Grossman‘s „On Killing“.
Just search for it. Maybe try getting an audio book as the author himself is the narrator.
Another book of him is „On Combat“. Both are quite essential IMHO.

LTC Grossman is a fucktard.

14) I took your advice from The Guerilla Gunfighter (page 9) and hosted a Tactical Medicine class by Mr. Caleb Causey of Lone Star Medics for our people.  He is an excellent instructor and everyone was very pleased and enjoyed the class.  He is humbled by your recommendation.  We learned a lot and some men who were “recently out” of the service were really surprised by how much things have changed in the last 5 – 10 years.  Not only did he cover the medical issues extremely well, he also dealt with mindset a lot and told us about many of his very interesting life experiences.  I noticed how much he used the same terms that you used, such as trigger reset. You recommended an excellent trainer.  Thank you so much.  I am grateful.  It is amazing how much better I understand you writings after this course. 

I am one of the people in the third group.  We live in a declining empire.  I live in area surrounded by my kin.  Our land was obtained by our folks in the late 1800’s and the core of our family has lived here ever since.  I’m retired from a chemical plant and am a full time farmer now. I’m busy building community and trying to unite all my immediate family and neighbors who are distant kin.  We have homeschooled our kids who are now in their mid 30’s and close to home.  As you say, I am living my life, raising my own food, processing my own livestock and preparing for the future that we both see ahead.  Thank you and your family for all you do.  I can only speak for us, but we have greatly benefited from all your efforts.

We are now discussing having a tactical handgun class.

Awesome! Just…awesome! All the way around.

15) John, I have Tendinitis,epicondylitis, and lord know what else.

I have your book Clandestine Carry Pistol and wondered if you may post or offer links to some better pics/descriptions of different ways to grip as I could really use the help.


I will post an article in the next week or two, discussing this.


16) Hello, Regarding order XXXXX I ordered GG2 11 (eleven) weeks ago and have not received it. Can you update me on the status?  I also emailed you last week Monday and have not yet received your response.

I know most regular readers will be aware of this, but I’m assuming this email came from someone who followed a link to the store site from elsewhere. The books went to the printer last week, on Wednesday. They should be here, in hand, in the next day or so, unless the printer dicks around. They will be shipping as fast as we can shove them in envelopes and get them to the Post Office. For all who pre-ordered, thank you, again, for your support, faith, and patience.

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  1. RCPete permalink

    You might want to check out the MidNite Solar SPD surge protector. Costs $100, they claim it works through multiple lightning strikes, and it mounts on a 1/2″ knockout. There are a few models available to suit your PV voltage.

  2. Boondocker permalink

    Amen about Grossman He is just wrong all the way around.

    • Quixote Six Actual permalink

      “LTC Grossman is a fucktard.” +1

  3. Vagus permalink

    Re: Collapsing Early

    50 years after a cataclysm just being able to run a chest freezer would provide a huge boost to food storage/ survival chances. In Sci Fi terms the rest of us would be in the Stone Age and you could reach way back in the castle vault and pull out a ray gun.

    In practical terms your system is training utility for resiliency, but I am with you on siding with resiliency.

  4. “Protecting Solar Power Systems from EMP or CME”

  5. J R permalink

    You mention having to relocate the contents of your deep freezer. What do you have frozen that couldn’t be preserved by other means (non powered)? I only ask because this was a huge learning lesson for us last year in coastal Carolina, Hurricane Florence wiped out our power unexpectedly, for our entire town, so could not relocate food items to a friends’ freezer. It hit at the end of the gardening season so I lost an entire year’s worth of frozen veggies (canning everything from here forward), game meats, and wild caught fish/crabs. I’ve experimented with salting my game meats with limited success, and canning 40lbs of venison and rabbit meat just seems disgusting. Need solutions!

  6. Chris permalink

    I have a question regarding your water system. You may have answered it in previous postings and I missed it. If so, I apologize. You have mentioned that you use rain catchment and a retention pond for you water needs. You have also mentioned that you filter your water before use. My question is, what filtration do you use? Is it an off the shelf solution or do you have a homemade filtration system? Also, other than boiling, what are your long term solutions to filtration?

    • ItsJustMe permalink

      I’ve used a sand fllter I made from a 5 gallon bucket at a house I lived at for a few years. The well water wasn’t safe to drink. Made safe drinking water.

      Mine was super simple. 5 gallon bucket, propped up on 2 x 2×4’s over another 5 gallon bucket. Drilled a few small holes in the bottom of the top bucket. Layered a few layers of cheesecloth, then a layer of charcoal, then a layer of fine grave, then sand, then bigger gravel, then sand on top again.

      Filled it up, leaving enough room to pour in almost 2 gallons of water before it would overflow.

      It is cheap and sustainable – you can rebuild it using the same materials a number of times. I was able to use the same supplies for 3 years with only pulling off the top layer of sand off, rinsing it out with a couple gallons of clean water after combing through it, left it out in the sun for a few hours, then put it back in the bucket. (helps to put a layer of cheesecloth under the sand to keep it out of the gravel)

  7. LTC Grossman is a fucktard.

    Keep making that spot-on observation. There is no freshness date on it, and it will never expire.

    For those who don’t know why Grossman is a fucktard, a brief review:
    Telling people that nobody is inherently violent, and stating counterfactually that we have to program people to kill, (and then making a cottage industry out of peddling that line of twaddle) is only belied by all of recorded human history. Evidently that part was not required reading for any of his manifestly worthless degrees. Grossman is the face of junk science. You get the feeling from his books that if you brought up the example of Cain and Abel, he’d go, “Unpossible. Cain clearly watched too many violent TV shows and video games.” Or his head would start smoking, and he’d ask for “Norman: correlate please.”

    I don’t go to retired military officers for psychological expertise (even those who got their boutique psychology degrees in their spare time) for the same reason I don’t ask psychologists how to take a hill or organize a parachute jump.

    But doing it would be fun to watch, if only to illustrate vividly in laymen’s terms why Grossman is a fucktard. Except, or course, for the guys taking the hill or hitting the LZ.

    Grossman is one of those guys who ultimately wasn’t very interested in the actual military arts except as a rent check, but became captivated by the psychobabble of his hobby profession before retirement. Then found a screwball niche, and latched on like a barnacle. Pretty much like most of psychology.

    His books are great…if you have a table leg an inch shorter than the others.
    Otherwise, put them in the outhouse. Tearing the book jacket off will make it easier to properly utilize the pages in the best way, as needed.

    Keep rocking, JM.

  8. Daniel permalink

    Can I trouble you to share what belt(s) you like for carrying concealed?

  9. Boilerpl8 permalink

    WRT collapsing early, my goal is to have a functional steam engine and boiler set up. I have a lathe and a mill that can be belt driven like the machine shops of yesteryear. A steam engine can also drive an alternator for 12v, and if the boiler water is made open loop it will provide distilled water for as long as I have fuel to burn. Power, hot water, and early 1900s manufacturing capability in a pinch.

  10. James permalink

    As for building you had mentioned last week that while nice to not have a code inspection ect.,would have liked the advice.Most building inspectors(while some knowledgeable trades folks)will not do load calculations,that is why they love a plan stamped by a engineer.One can usually do quality sketches ect. and for not too much get a registered structural engineer to look em over and stamp em(or give you a WTF you thinking look!).Technically,they are just looking to see that plan was followed structurally load wise/fastner schedule ect.There are many tables/state building codes ect with load calcs(live and dead)that also take into account weather in your parts.Seems you did better then fine and went a bit over board,a nice way to go on load bearing as long as not too over board.

    Daniele,on side note,I have found standard webbed riggers belts as they are called(1.5″)have worked well for me trucking thru the woods ect. for carrying though do not conceal more then shirt cover,personally have not found a inside waist band setup comfortable for me(am on the thin/bony side).I am also very much a newbie when it comes to pistols but have for a couple of years found comfort with this and never had belt snag/drop ect. in woods.

  11. Frank Plisken permalink

    I appreciate your time spent earning the knowledge you have along with the time spent sharing it with us all. Also, I appreciate it enough that I have bought two of your books now and will buy the rest as I can afford it. The weather and events you write about experiencing sound very similar to what happens and when in the general area I am from. If I am correct then you have moved from an area with harsh winters in the Northwest to an area with harsh summers and fairly mild winters in the northwest part of the southeast. Even if that’s not the case, could I please get you to write about how to deal with the extreme heat when the power goes out temporarily or permanently? An article about tactics and gear selection for summer time movements would be greatly appreciated. It’s extremely humid and hot here but the light infantry unit I learned the basics in wasn’t special therefore we were limited to doing things less efficiently than we probably could have. By the way your mini history lessons about older Europeans are interesting now that they’re not taught much because of political correctness combined with lazy folks who are content being ignorant of their past. Thanks again John and sorry for writing a small novel.

  12. concerning post of 24 July…
    Wesley Powell told the PTB’s back in his day that the way to save water going down river wasn’t to build one or two huge damns but rather to build lots of smaller ones as far up stream as possible. Because nobody listened, the Colorado is the most fucked up river on the planet. As to your grounding problem…..use pure copper grounding rods, set them (yeah at least two) away from the house and set lighting rods to them and well as the copper grounding cable from the house, bury that minimum 2 feet deep. the cables from the Ltng rods can actually be strung in the air if you like.

  13. concerning the “chats” in general……I’m amazed at just how much of our mutual philosophies are in agreement. Me being a dyed in the wool believer that Lot’s bet was a good one. Also, my faith in Our Lord Christ to keep me from needing to kill to defend myself has never let me down…NOT saying that there hasn’t been a time or 4 that I really did need a gun; AM saying, for whatever freakin’ reason, I had packed it that day and being as good a shot as I was way back then I was able to scare the Mo Fo into running rather than having to kill him. No, not a soldier. I served as a wrench bender, making sure that the Warthogs and Herkies were where they needed to be when they were needed. Star lifters, Galaxies, Aardvarks, Jolly Greens, Falcons and Phantoms even got to work on the Wobbly Goblin’s legs once. OH and a Dragon Lady.
    I not saying that the soldiers way of staying ready, of moving through life waiting for the bad guy to pop up like a range target isn’t worth the worry, I’ve known and do know far too many one eights, Uncle Sam’s misguided Children to be able to say anything of the kind. well enough of this…just remember that there are those of us that would rather NOT do any of the Wet work.

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